(;GM[1]FF[4]AP[glGo:0.1.1]ST[1] SZ[19]KM[0.5] PW[Cornel]PB[Cornel]TM[0:00]DT[2004-05-01]PC[IGS-PandaNet]CP[Copyright (c) PANDANET Inc. 2004] AB[dd][pd][dp] ;W[qp] ;B[op] ;W[mq] ;B[no] ;W[kp] ;B[qn] ;W[gq] ;B[cn] ;W[jc] (;B[pi]LB[hc:A][lc:B] ;W[nc] (;B[pc] ;W[ql]TR[nd] (;B[pk] ;W[qg] (;B[pl] ;W[oe] (;B[nb] ;W[ob] (;B[nd] ;W[mc] ;B[pe] ;W[og] (;B[ne] ;W[of] ;B[od]TR[od][pd][pc] ;W[mg] ;B[pb] ;W[mb] ;B[le] ;W[ri] ;B[rj] ;W[qj] ;B[rk] ;W[qi] ;B[qk] ;W[or]TR[pq] (;B[dj] ;W[cf] (;B[fc] ;W[bd] ;B[cc] ;W[ch] ;B[hc] ;W[bj] ;B[nr] ;W[nq] ;B[pr] ;W[oq] ;B[pq] ;W[pp] ;B[rq] ;W[qq] ;B[qr] ;W[rr] ;B[rs] ;W[sr] ;B[sq] ;W[ps] ;B[ss] ;W[rr] ;B[sr] ;W[os] (;B[kd] ;W[kc] (;B[ib] ;W[hd] ;B[ic] ;W[jd] ;B[je] ;W[id] ;B[ph] ;W[qf] (;B[qh] ;W[rh] ;B[re] ;W[ni] ;B[pj] ;W[kg] ;B[eq] ;W[go] ;B[rf] ;W[rg] ;B[po] ;W[qs] ;B[rp] ;W[rr] ;B[qr] ;W[fd] (;B[gd] ;W[ge] ;B[gc]TR[cl] (;W[ck] (;B[fe] ;W[ff] ;B[ee] ;W[ef] ;B[he] ;W[gf] ;B[ie]TR[dj]MA[ef][ff][gf][ck]LB[fd:1][ed:2] ;W[ld] (;B[ke] ;W[jb]TR[ig] (;B[lh] ;W[mf] ;B[me] ;W[kh] ;B[li] ;W[ki] ;B[lj] ;W[kf] ;B[ig] ;W[hh] ;B[hg] ;W[gh] ;B[ih] ;W[ii] ;B[hi] ;W[ij] ;B[gg] ;W[fh]MA[dj][hi] ;B[fg] ;W[eg] (;B[nh] (;W[pa] ;B[qa] ;W[oa] ;B[oc] ;W[na] ;B[rb] ;W[cq] ;B[cp] (;W[dm] ;B[kn] ;W[kj] ;B[fr] ;W[gr] ;B[hp] ;W[fq] ;B[er] ;W[ho] ;B[lp] ;W[kq] ;B[lq] ;W[lr] ;B[jp] ;W[jo] ;B[ko] ;W[jq] ;B[jn] ;W[io] ;B[mp] ;W[oh] ;B[oi] ;W[kl] ;B[lk] ;W[np] ;B[oo] ;W[im] ;B[qo] ;W[lm] ;B[mm] ;W[lo] ;B[mo] ;W[ln] ;B[ll] ;W[km] ;B[kk] (;W[jk] ;B[en] ;W[mn] ;B[nn] ;W[ml] ;B[nm] ;W[mh] ;B[nj] ;W[mi] ;B[mj] ;W[dn] ;B[eo] ;W[fm] ;B[em] ;W[el] ;B[fn] ;W[gm] ;B[gn] ;W[cm] ;B[hn] ;W[in] ;B[hm] ;W[hl] ;B[bn] ;W[bm] ;B[gs] ;W[hs] ;B[fs] ;W[ir] ;B[fp] ;W[gp] ;B[bc] ;W[bp] ;B[bo] ;W[br] ;B[aq] ;W[ap] ;B[ao] ;W[bq] ;B[cs] ;W[do] ;B[co] ;W[fo] ;B[ep] ;W[dr] ;B[ds] ;W[bs] ;B[ar] ;W[cr]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: Hi! Kasandara [28k \]: hello leoric [ 3k*\]: Blech, you can't type 'observe 45' to get in. Cornel [ 6d*\]: no is different command Cornel [ 6d*\]: r6 was very nice Cornel [ 6d*\]: black has good shapes so far Cornel [ 6d*\]: white took a big point Cornel [ 6d*\]: black should consider one of the attacks in A or B Cornel [ 6d*\]: or around those points Cornel [ 6d*\]: like this white has the option to choose where to play kakari (corner approach) next]) (;W[eo] ;B[jl] ;W[jm] ;B[jk] ;W[mh] ;B[nj] ;W[mi]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: e5 bigger Cornel [ 6d*\]: I missed here Cornel [ 6d*\]: well, 7a.m already, started the game at 5:) klapaucius [22k*\]: in half hour after; need to wash dishes first! enfo [22k*\]: ok leoric [ 3k*\]: I dont like c1 for B.. doesnt add any eyes Cornel [ 6d*\]: no comment on this corner play in the end:) leoric [ 3k*\]: but its still not fun for black Cornel [ 6d*\]: he should let me get b17 :) leoric [ 3k*\]: ok, no comments Cornel [ 6d*\]: heh Cornel [ 6d*\]: I hope you enjoyed this game review Cornel [ 6d*\]: thanks for being active:) enfo [22k*\]: thank you alot cornel! Kasandara [28k \]: thanks cornel! Grissnap [28k \]: thank you very much, very helpful for a beginner klapaucius [22k*\]: these are good db [ 1k \]: thank you, Cornel Cornel [ 6d*\]: welcome everybody, I'll see you soon:) Cornel [ 6d*\]: don't forget to check www.golessons.com Cornel [ 6d*\]: those who are interested to sign up for private go teaching])) (;W[dr] ;B[er] ;W[bp] ;B[bo] (;W[bq]C[leoric [ 3k*\]: ... I dislike 4-4s Cornel [ 6d*\]: how is status of this corner? Cornel [ 6d*\]: w alive or dead? leoric [ 3k*\]: B B1] (;B[br] ;W[ar] ;B[bs] ;W[es] ;B[fs] ;W[ds] ;B[gr] ;W[ap]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: alive:)]) (;B[bs] (;W[es] ;B[fr] ;W[ap]) (;W[br] (;B[ds] ;W[cs]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: ko leoric [ 3k*\]: dont need ko leoric [ 3k*\]: C1]) (;B[cs] ;W[ds] ;B[dq] ;W[ap]C[leoric [ 3k*\]: B A2 Cornel [ 6d*\]: oh, yes:)] ;B[ar] ;W[cr]C[leoric [ 3k*\]: bent four, still ko... Cornel [ 6d*\]: yes cause white can surround the black group Cornel [ 6d*\]: so need to force the ko and if you lose it all dies:)])) (;W[cs] ;B[br]C[leoric [ 3k*\]: can go for bent four in corner Cornel [ 6d*\]: what next ? leoric [ 3k*\]: err, instead of B D1, C1 instead]))) (;W[br] ;B[ap] ;W[aq]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: ko also leoric [ 3k*\]: I want my handicap on 3-4s... leoric [ 3k*\]: muhaha])) (;W[er]C[leoric [ 3k*\]: ok, I'm done. Cornel [ 6d*\]: a nice follow up for white is this e2] ;B[dr] ;W[fr] ;B[cr]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: sente yose Cornel [ 6d*\]: yes chinesse handicap style is good for you:) Cornel [ 6d*\]: we can try that next lesson:) enfo [22k*\]: chinese handicap? Cornel [ 6d*\]: you place the first 4 handi where you like leoric [ 3k*\]: X stones anywhere Cornel [ 6d*\]: yes no hoshis enfo [22k*\]: oh wow Cornel [ 6d*\]: free style handicap:) enfo [22k*\]: yes i don't like hoshi Cornel [ 6d*\]: I like hoshi, star points are powerful enfo [22k*\]: i don't know how to use them yet Cornel [ 6d*\]: I like 3x4 also, territorial leoric [ 3k*\]: gimmie the points. leoric [ 3k*\]: heh Cornel [ 6d*\]: try them harder and you will get the idea how to use them Cornel [ 6d*\]: h4 was not ok:) Cornel [ 6d*\]: same kind of kikashi that backfires:) klapaucius [22k*\]: what you dislike points to your weakness, usually Cornel [ 6d*\]: like m12 Cornel [ 6d*\]: correct:) klapaucius [22k*\]: unless it's bad shape klapaucius [22k*\]: :-) enfo [22k*\]: klapau want to play a game after this? Cornel [ 6d*\]: save me a copy and email please:) Cornel [ 6d*\]: of your game K])) (;W[mn]C[enfo [22k*\]: yeah especially since p andn 12 would mitigatge it Cornel [ 6d*\]: white can enter here Cornel [ 6d*\]: but sente first Cornel [ 6d*\]: yose has started Cornel [ 6d*\]: p19 was black's sente as well Cornel [ 6d*\]: p12 was a gote move])) (;B[oa] ;W[na] ;B[pa] ;W[oc]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: this is big for black Cornel [ 6d*\]: prevents my q19 leoric [ 3k*\]: once groups are defined and alive (for the most part) its yose... Cornel [ 6d*\]: so both have sente there] ;B[em] ;W[el] ;B[fl] ;W[ek] ;B[gr] ;W[hr] ;B[fq] ;W[hq] ;B[fn] ;W[mn] ;B[mo] ;W[ln] ;B[nj] ;W[bm] ;B[bn] ;W[bc] ;B[bb] ;W[de] ;B[ed] ;W[cd] ;B[cb] ;W[qe] ;B[qd] ;W[fr] ;B[er] ;W[gs] ;B[es]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: how would be the score this way ? Cornel [ 6d*\]: around 50 secure points for black Cornel [ 6d*\]: same for white :) Cornel [ 6d*\]: and white sente Cornel [ 6d*\]: is a close game leoric [ 3k*\]: B ~60 Cornel [ 6d*\]: ok:) leoric [ 3k*\]: buts thats my counting style Cornel [ 6d*\]: and white ? Cornel [ 6d*\]: your yose play is good Cornel [ 6d*\]: I can tell from our last game leoric [ 3k*\]: same Cornel [ 6d*\]: thanks:) leoric [ 3k*\]: B ~60 W ~60 leoric [ 3k*\]: err, or was Cornel [ 6d*\]: yes and w sente :) Cornel [ 6d*\]: I said b 50-w 50 :)])) (;B[ig]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: well, there are times when have to play 2nd line for base Cornel [ 6d*\]: j13 is the key point leoric [ 3k*\]: eesh... 2nd line is just the beginning... corners are weird. klapaucius [22k*\]: no I just mean your assumptions have to change there enfo [22k*\]: why not m19 before k18 was played?])) (;B[la] ;W[ke]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: no time:) enfo [22k*\]: ooh enfo [22k*\]: i see Cornel [ 6d*\]: white didn't connect m13 as b expected to this kikashi Cornel [ 6d*\]: 'kikashi' another concept like sabaki, miai, korigatachi and aji leoric [ 3k*\]: M12 prolly to try to disrupt shape... Cornel [ 6d*\]: well, black drove white in the right direction with m12 enfo [22k*\]: why k14 instead of m13 leoric [ 3k*\]: but bamboo joints are great shape. enfo [22k*\]: oh Cornel [ 6d*\]: L14 you meant ? enfo [22k*\]: yeah l14 leoric [ 3k*\]: white got good shape anyways Cornel [ 6d*\]: yes I like the shape better:) Cornel [ 6d*\]: m13 would be empty triangle:) Cornel [ 6d*\]: 2 weak stones Cornel [ 6d*\]: o12 is not so big])) (;B[dk] ;W[dl]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: if c9 first when b goes d9 white will cut Cornel [ 6d*\]: the other aji this shape has Cornel [ 6d*\]: is b11 kind of move Cornel [ 6d*\]: check]) (;B[bi] ;W[ci] ;B[cj] ;W[bk]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: nothing happens Cornel [ 6d*\]: got it klapa? Cornel [ 6d*\]: c9 is black's move Cornel [ 6d*\]: so c9 is white's move klapaucius [22k*\]: yeah, I was mistaking it for another cap Cornel [ 6d*\]: well, depends on the position Cornel [ 6d*\]: but in this game as you see most white's shapes are simple Cornel [ 6d*\]: no overplayed enfo [22k*\]: it's the old "answer a keima with kosumi" proverb combined with "your move is the opp move" Cornel [ 6d*\]: not quite:) Cornel [ 6d*\]: but good to keep in mind both klapaucius [22k*\]: the second line is weird])) (;W[cl]TR[ch][bj][cl]LB[bi:1] (;B[dl]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: ok, what next ? Cornel [ 6d*\]: c9 ? enfo [22k*\]: c9> klapaucius [22k*\]: Gote Cornel [ 6d*\]: yes so you play c9 anyway Cornel [ 6d*\]: the why not c9 straight ?:)] ;W[ck] ;B[dk]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: no is sente but black gets a kind of wall there klapaucius [22k*\]: better for black than white]) (;B[bi] ;W[ci] ;B[bk] ;W[ck] ;B[cj]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: did it happen to fall apart like this in your games before/ enfo [22k*\]: haha yes Cornel [ 6d*\]: is ugly when it happens:) enfo [22k*\]: it was painful Cornel [ 6d*\]: I know, happened to me also :) Cornel [ 6d*\]: so playing this , there are less cuting points]))) (;B[ed]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: this block would be sente] ;W[gc] ;B[gb] ;W[gd] ;B[ck] ;W[fb] ;B[ec] ;W[ga] ;B[hb] ;W[jb] ;B[eb]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: but white has a nice sente follow up right after Cornel [ 6d*\]: was happy to get c9 Cornel [ 6d*\]: some people said that top in danger now Cornel [ 6d*\]: white makes life in top Cornel [ 6d*\]: but compare .. Cornel [ 6d*\]: black got 3 points here Cornel [ 6d*\]: white set up a wall and can compensate Cornel [ 6d*\]: f11 area is big moyo Cornel [ 6d*\]: j13 is a nice kepy point next klapaucius [22k*\]: Why C9 rather than C8 here? Cornel [ 6d*\]: if c8 black has d8 Cornel [ 6d*\]: and there is another aji in that area])) (;B[ni] ;W[rd] ;B[rc] ;W[qd]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: white will go s16 to expand his eye room next Cornel [ 6d*\]: black is under attack soon Cornel [ 6d*\]: big e3 Cornel [ 6d*\]: s14 also Cornel [ 6d*\]: and good timing too Cornel [ 6d*\]: b played gote in this area])) (;B[qs]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: b can't play this] ;W[rp]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: will die big:)]) (;B[ie]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: normaly play is keima to surround leoric [ 3k*\]: quite normal to become irrational and violent when behind. Cornel [ 6d*\]: sorry, wrong button:) Cornel [ 6d*\]: true Cornel [ 6d*\]: look how shapes work leoric [ 3k*\]: if you are behind, mix things up... Cornel [ 6d*\]: or mess things up :) enfo [22k*\]: or stay behind =) klapaucius [22k*\]: B64 looks like a thank-you move Cornel [ 6d*\]: o11 is a nice vital point Cornel [ 6d*\]: s15 was big too leoric [ 3k*\]: hopefully you make an opening or opponent makes mistake Cornel [ 6d*\]: sort of])) (;B[rp] ;W[qs] ;B[po] ;W[rr] (;B[qr]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: white escapes sente Cornel [ 6d*\]: so white connected enfo [22k*\]: very interesting]) (;B[eq] ;W[ro] ;B[qr] ;W[qo]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: same if b ignores Cornel [ 6d*\]: this shows black is quite desperate])) (;B[kb] ;W[jb] ;B[kc] ;W[kd] ;B[ld] ;W[lc] ;B[jd] ;W[ke] ;B[kf] ;W[je] ;B[id]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: black can't play other moves there leoric [ 3k*\]: ok, sorry about the rant. Cornel [ 6d*\]: :) Cornel [ 6d*\]: so shapes])) (;B[ce] ;W[df] ;B[fc]LB[dj:A][dh:B]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: black should play c15 contact move(tsuke) to force w get into heavy shape Cornel [ 6d*\]: white would like to extend around A Cornel [ 6d*\]: but is impossible splunge [ NR \]: he was mad he played f17 first ;)] (;W[dh]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: yes, he was :) Cornel [ 6d*\]: so w gets a cramped shape now gatto711 [20k*\]: lol enfo [22k*\]: why not c11? Cornel [ 6d*\]: good question:)]) (;W[ci] ;B[cj] ;W[di] ;B[ei] ;W[eh] ;B[fh] ;W[eg] ;B[fi]SQ[ck][cl][cm][cc]TR[ci][di][eh][eg][df][cf]MA[cj][dj][cn]LB[cg:1][ch:2][dg:3][dh:4]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: 6 stones for 4 points Cornel [ 6d*\]: and black has blocked c10 klapaucius [22k*\]: black's thickness is perfect though Cornel [ 6d*\]: so c8 area is pretty secure now Cornel [ 6d*\]: and.. Cornel [ 6d*\]: black's shape is nice Cornel [ 6d*\]: 2 stones up Cornel [ 6d*\]: extension 3 accross Cornel [ 6d*\]: why to play a move to help opponent?:) enfo [22k*\]: aaah i see =) splunge [ NR \]: w c17 still only ko with c-d 14 in place? Cornel [ 6d*\]: welcome db:)] ;W[cc] ;B[dc] ;W[be] ;B[bd] ;W[cd]C[db [ 1k \]: thanks!] ;B[bc] (;W[de] ;B[cb]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: no Ko, black can submit and defend corner splunge [ NR \]: ah thanks Cornel [ 6d*\]: white doesn't get so much Cornel [ 6d*\]: this is the safe way for black to play Cornel [ 6d*\]: b18 and e18 are eyes]) (;W[cb]LB[de:A] ;B[de]LB[bf:A][bb:B]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: creates miai again] ;W[bf] ;B[bb]MA[bd][bc]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: so white can't move out Cornel [ 6d*\]: is good to know this technique Cornel [ 6d*\]: is a basic sequence Cornel [ 6d*\]: very common used leoric [ 3k*\]: ouch... B16 hurts Cornel [ 6d*\]: see, white didn't play c11 Cornel [ 6d*\]: cause of d10 Cornel [ 6d*\]: white got a base now Cornel [ 6d*\]: lighter shape Cornel [ 6d*\]: than could have:) leoric [ 3k*\]: white almost guarenteed life, and so quickly... Cornel [ 6d*\]: yes, 3 moves and life:) Cornel [ 6d*\]: sabaki Cornel [ 6d*\]: another concept Cornel [ 6d*\]: there are 8 strategic concepts Cornel [ 6d*\]: is good if you can combine them in one game Cornel [ 6d*\]: I mean put them all together Cornel [ 6d*\]: and very proper white extends again klapaucius [22k*\]: F17 was played first, eh? Cornel [ 6d*\]: sliding under here must be annoying for black :) Cornel [ 6d*\]: yes:) Cornel [ 6d*\]: makes d10 stone flat Cornel [ 6d*\]: or floating:) Cornel [ 6d*\]: this is too much to try enfo [22k*\]: b would answer at c8 in this? or c9? Cornel [ 6d*\]: but it seems black was really mad missing in top left Cornel [ 6d*\]: c9 Cornel [ 6d*\]: but is gote :) Cornel [ 6d*\]: here q3 would have been right not o2 Cornel [ 6d*\]: but was good to see the squeeze sequence leoric [ 3k*\]: not even, black gets squished Cornel [ 6d*\]: white escapes easily with those 3 stones Cornel [ 6d*\]: enfo was wondering during the game:) leoric [ 3k*\]: ah])))) (;B[pq] ;W[pr] ;B[qq] ;W[qr] ;B[rq]C[klapaucius [22k*\]: so having R13 there enabled white to get a sente eye later; at least Cornel [ 6d*\]: seems b invests too many stones there Cornel [ 6d*\]: yes k Cornel [ 6d*\]: black went for a big move instead q3 Cornel [ 6d*\]: here now..])) (;B[of] ;W[pf] ;B[nf] ;W[ng] ;B[mf]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: if black plays like this o16 is in good shape] ;W[mg] ;B[lf] ;W[ri] ;B[rh] ;W[qh] ;B[rj] ;W[qi] ;B[qj]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: s11 not so dangerous:) Cornel [ 6d*\]: still heavy shape Cornel [ 6d*\]: n13, trust the ikken tobi Cornel [ 6d*\]: now s11 to get some eyes Cornel [ 6d*\]: eyes are easily to set up on the edge enfo [22k*\]: why not s15? enfo [22k*\]: oh nevermind i see Cornel [ 6d*\]: will have time for s15 later Cornel [ 6d*\]: this is more important cause trying to link to r8 Cornel [ 6d*\]: s9 was clever Cornel [ 6d*\]: now white reduce from this side Cornel [ 6d*\]: while increases his territory])) (;B[oc]TR[oc][pc][pd][mb]C[enfo [22k*\]: empty triangle Cornel [ 6d*\]: I was expecting black to cut next Cornel [ 6d*\]: right:) Cornel [ 6d*\]: this shape I don't like much:) TDLT [28k \]: :)] ;W[mb] ;B[nd] ;W[mc] ;B[od] ;W[og]C[leoric [ 3k*\]: blobs are bad, very inefficient. Cornel [ 6d*\]: and that bulky 5 is really heavy and hard to look at :) Cornel [ 6d*\]: black had some fighting spirit here])) (;B[qe] ;W[og]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: if b plays the shape to live in corner white still happy to link his stones and keep b isolated Cornel [ 6d*\]: white's shape is light Cornel [ 6d*\]: I like flexible moves:) Cornel [ 6d*\]: o16 was nice])) (;B[qe]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: r15 block is a good move here leoric [ 3k*\]: r13 is nasty to the Q17 group Cornel [ 6d*\]: must protect corners first binbin77 [ 1d*\]: hi Cornel [ 6d*\]: yes r13 is vital point Cornel [ 6d*\]: hello ! Cornel [ 6d*\]: but r13 now is under pressure] ;W[og] ;B[nd] ;W[mc] ;B[md] ;W[mg] ;B[lc] ;W[lb] ;B[ld] ;W[kb]C[klapaucius [22k*\]: would run rather than connect underneath here? Cornel [ 6d*\]: is not a real connection there :) Cornel [ 6d*\]: you think of s11? klapaucius [22k*\]: or S10; maybe doesn't work klapaucius [22k*\]: but if it doesn't why R8 in the first place? leoric [ 3k*\]: doesnt work. Cornel [ 6d*\]: r8 is to create aji in corner Cornel [ 6d*\]: you will see how it happened in the game Cornel [ 6d*\]: s11 helps though klapaucius [22k*\]: ah, so just headache for black later then leoric [ 3k*\]: aji = potential problems, it creates trouble for black TDLT [28k \]: call it the sleeper stone :) Cornel [ 6d*\]: black already played q9 and q8 in that area Cornel [ 6d*\]: for r8 Cornel [ 6d*\]: so Cornel [ 6d*\]: white attacks first enfo [22k*\]: p15 is a intesresting way of jumping out Cornel [ 6d*\]: is also a matter of shapes Cornel [ 6d*\]: trying to surround those heavy stones in corner])) (;B[nd]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: white r8 aims s6 Cornel [ 6d*\]: but also r13] ;W[md] ;B[me] ;W[ld] ;B[qj]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: black needs to choose what to defend again Cornel [ 6d*\]: and of course will go for the bigger area] ;W[rn]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: which is r14 side important now])) (;B[pb]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: instead of this ? enfo [22k*\]: yeah Cornel [ 6d*\]: q17 is very solid play]) (;B[pf]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: b could play this as well] ;W[qc] ;B[pc] ;W[pb]LB[ob:A][qd:B]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: where next ? Cornel [ 6d*\]: A or B ? enfo [22k*\]: b? spaciane [ 4k*\]: b Cornel [ 6d*\]: why ?:) spaciane [ 4k*\]: bbecause of k17 presence] ;B[qd] ;W[rb] ;B[rc] ;W[qb]SQ[pd][pf][pi][qd][dj]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: because this way black blocks the area he builds more Cornel [ 6d*\]: in this case top right Cornel [ 6d*\]: always block the bigger side Cornel [ 6d*\]: and correct judgement is also that k17 there , so black can't damage white's shape much Cornel [ 6d*\]: and black sente this way Cornel [ 6d*\]: where would you go next as black ? enfo [22k*\]: how much points is s16 worth? enfo [22k*\]: how much will b lose if hedoesn't protect that i mean Cornel [ 6d*\]: that's a big endgame enfo [22k*\]: oh Cornel [ 6d*\]: but of black connects now is gote enfo [22k*\]: so it's not considered an urgent move? enfo [22k*\]: at this stage? Cornel [ 6d*\]: if white will capture next , will be gote but prepare a sente move sequence after Cornel [ 6d*\]: oh, not urgent at this stage spaciane [ 4k*\]: something for d16 Cornel [ 6d*\]: cause there are open areas to cover first Cornel [ 6d*\]: left side is important now] (;B[dj]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: this move is big Cornel [ 6d*\]: or f17]) (;B[fc]TR[rd][ci]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: f17 invites white in the left] (;W[ci]LB[cl:A][cf:B]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: why here ? Cornel [ 6d*\]: cause white keeps miai points enfo [22k*\]: miai? Cornel [ 6d*\]: so if black attacks from A white can extend B and viceversa enfo [22k*\]: aah ok Cornel [ 6d*\]: 'miai' is a concept Cornel [ 6d*\]: one of the basic strategic conceps enfo [22k*\]: black would be better answering at B instead of A right? Cornel [ 6d*\]: concepts* leoric [ 3k*\]: miai is like having a plan B, if one fails the other works instead.] (;B[ck] ;W[cf] ;B[ce] ;W[df]TR[cf][df][ci]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: yes and they are pretty even Cornel [ 6d*\]: so points of exchange Cornel [ 6d*\]: black would play this way Cornel [ 6d*\]: is sente Cornel [ 6d*\]: white's shape is not ideal there Cornel [ 6d*\]: this shape is considered 'korigatachi' Cornel [ 6d*\]: pretty overconcentrated Cornel [ 6d*\]: korigatachi is another concept Cornel [ 6d*\]: is good to force your opponent get into cramped shapes enfo [22k*\]: the farmers hat in the top right is not korigatachi because both "empty triangles" are filled right? Cornel [ 6d*\]: well, white invaded corner there Cornel [ 6d*\]: white had a stone , black 3 in the starting position there]) (;B[rd]TR[re][se][rf][sf][rg][sg][cf]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: if black connects Cornel [ 6d*\]: those 6 marked stones became his territory points Cornel [ 6d*\]: but black played gote once] ;W[cf] ;B[sb]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: gote twice] ;W[cl] ;B[ob] ;W[oc] ;B[ra] ;W[nb] ;B[qa] ;W[oa]TR[cf][ci][cl]LB[sd:1][re:2][se:3][rf:4][sf:5][rg:6][sg:7][ob:A][na:B]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: and sente sacrifice Cornel [ 6d*\]: ok, let's count the corner now Cornel [ 6d*\]: 7 points for black compared to previous sequence when white has corner Cornel [ 6d*\]: 3 points for white Cornel [ 6d*\]: so already a 4 points different in points Cornel [ 6d*\]: but.. Cornel [ 6d*\]: how many points did white had before ? Cornel [ 6d*\]: 8 Cornel [ 6d*\]: so s16 worth around 15 points later in the game Cornel [ 6d*\]: but because is gote for both Cornel [ 6d*\]: you don't have to rush enfo [22k*\]: so end game plays should generally end in gote? Cornel [ 6d*\]: 3 white moves on the left worth 15 points as well, even more Cornel [ 6d*\]: so in fuseki play the most open areas first! Cornel [ 6d*\]: q17 is a good block when b has q11])) (;W[rd]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: imagine white captures here now] ;B[re] ;W[sc] ;B[dj]C[leoric [ 3k*\]: Think of efficiency. You want your stones to have the largest benefit per stone and your opponents to have the least. If you can take more points with the same amount of stones compa Cornel [ 6d*\]: correct leoric leoric [ 3k*\]: compared to your opponent. enfo [22k*\]: ah ok Cornel [ 6d*\]: so white got s17 which is 2 points , and t18,t19,s18 Cornel [ 6d*\]: another 3 points Cornel [ 6d*\]: so 5 points gote Cornel [ 6d*\]: black played d10 Cornel [ 6d*\]: that worth way more than 5 points] ;W[se] ;B[rf] ;W[sf] ;B[sg] ;W[sd] ;B[rg]TR[re][se][rf][sf][rg][sg]LB[oa:1][pa:2][qa:3][ra:4][sa:5][sb:6][rc:7]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: white can also play another 4 points sente next Cornel [ 6d*\]: so already 9 points in that area but white played gote once and sente once Cornel [ 6d*\]: still d10 covers a big area on the left Cornel [ 6d*\]: and playing the sequence up to s13 will help black on the right side so hard for w to invade next Cornel [ 6d*\]: so s16 is too early Cornel [ 6d*\]: must be played in yose (endgame) Cornel [ 6d*\]: is one of the biggest move for both in early yose stage but not in middle game or fuseki leoric [ 3k*\]: fuseki = opening Cornel [ 6d*\]: let's count that corner Cornel [ 6d*\]: 7 points and 1 captured Cornel [ 6d*\]: so 8 points for white Cornel [ 6d*\]: remember this 6 marked stones])))) (;B[lc] ;W[fc] ;B[hc] ;W[fe] ;B[df] ;W[id] ;B[ec] ;W[fb] ;B[di]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: this pattern is a common joseki Cornel [ 6d*\]: is played like this in even games as well Cornel [ 6d*\]: any questions so far ?:) pitirre [23k*\]: no Rook [17k*\]: not yet :O) enfo [22k*\]: nope looks good Cornel [ 6d*\]: so all clear leoric [ 3k*\]: Upper left san san too small now? Cornel [ 6d*\]: for white ? Cornel [ 6d*\]: yes Cornel [ 6d*\]: would be gote] ;W[cc] ;B[cd] ;W[db] ;B[bc] ;W[bb] ;B[dc] ;W[cb] ;B[qf]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: and black gets to play another big move Cornel [ 6d*\]: r14 Cornel [ 6d*\]: white must try to keep sente , is a handi 3 game though Cornel [ 6d*\]: but at some point c17 will be big]) (;B[hc] ;W[nc] ;B[lc] ;W[ne] ;B[qf] ;W[kd] ;B[pb] ;W[ld]TR[pb][pd][qf]MA[lc][nb]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: this joseki is sente for black Cornel [ 6d*\]: nice shape in corner Cornel [ 6d*\]: 3 stones to build a 15 points area is very effective play Cornel [ 6d*\]: so m17 is a clever sacrifice Cornel [ 6d*\]: keeps white busy Cornel [ 6d*\]: while black builds Cornel [ 6d*\]: plus black has positive endgame in that area] ;B[nb]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: o18] ;W[mc]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: q17 is a very good block enfo [22k*\]: why 17 instead of 18?]))