(;GM[1]FF[4]AP[glGo:0.1.1]ST[1] SZ[19]KM[0.5] PW[Cornel]PB[Cornel]TM[0:00]DT[2004-04-29]PC[IGS-PandaNet]CP[Copyright (c) PANDANET Inc. 2004] AB[pp][dd][pd][dp] ;W[qf] ;B[nc] ;W[nq] ;B[kp] ;W[pn] ;B[np]CR[pd][dd][dp][pp] ;W[mp] (;B[oq] ;W[no] ;B[op] ;W[mo] ;B[mq] ;W[lq] (;B[mr] ;W[lr] ;B[nr] ;W[jq]LB[lr:A][mr:B] ;B[gq] ;W[cf] (;B[fc] ;W[ck] (;B[cm] (;W[cq] ;B[dq] ;W[cp] ;B[co] ;W[bo] ;B[bn] ;W[dr] ;B[er] ;W[br] (;B[do] ;W[bp]MA[gq][cm][dp] ;B[ch] ;W[gd] (;B[dg] ;W[cc] ;B[cd] ;W[bd] ;B[be] ;W[bc] ;B[ce]MA[be][ce][cd][dd][dg][ch][eb] ;W[eb] ;B[ec] ;W[fb] (;B[ek] ;W[gc] (;B[jc]LB[lc:A] ;W[pi]LB[rn:A] (;B[qm] ;W[qn] ;B[pm] ;W[om] ;B[pk] ;W[ol] ;B[pj] ;W[qi] (;B[qk]TR[pj][pk][qk][qj] ;W[nj] ;B[rn] ;W[ro] (;B[on] ;W[oo] ;B[qo] ;W[po] ;B[qp] ;W[rm] ;B[re] ;W[lc] ;B[je] ;W[le] ;B[hb] ;W[gb] ;B[lb] ;W[kb] ;B[kc] ;W[mb] ;B[ld] ;W[mc] ;B[md] ;W[nb] ;B[oc] ;W[ob] ;B[pb] ;W[la] ;B[jp] ;W[iq] ;B[ip] ;W[lp] (;B[km] ;W[gk] (;B[fm] ;W[gm] (;B[gl] ;W[hl] ;B[fl] ;W[hm] ;B[hk]TR[hl][hm][gm]LB[hp:A] ;W[hp] ;B[hq] ;W[ik] ;B[hj] ;W[jn] ;B[ho] ;W[ij] (;B[in] ;W[ii] ;B[il] ;W[im] ;B[jl] ;W[jm] ;B[kl] ;W[gi]SQ[il][jl][kl][km] ;B[gj] ;W[fj] ;B[fk] ;W[hi] ;B[gk] ;W[ko] ;B[nn] ;W[ml] ;B[ok] ;W[nk] ;B[pl] ;W[sn] ;B[ln] ;W[lo] ;B[mm] ;W[mn] ;B[li] ;W[kj] ;B[lj] ;W[lk] ;B[ki] ;W[di] ;B[ei] ;W[bf] ;B[af] ;W[df] ;B[ef] ;W[ee] ;B[ed] ;W[ff] ;B[eg]SQ[ag] (;W[de] ;B[bg] ;W[fe] ;B[fi] ;W[qc] ;B[qb] ;W[nd] ;B[ne] ;W[kd] ;B[me] ;W[ke] ;B[jd] ;W[kg] ;B[jg] ;W[jh] ;B[kh] ;W[jf] ;B[ig] ;W[if] ;B[lg] ;W[kf] ;B[lf] ;W[hg] ;B[ji] ;W[jj] ;B[ih] ;W[hh] ;B[jh] ;W[mh] ;B[lh] ;W[mf] ;B[mg] ;W[nf] ;B[oe] ;W[of] ;B[pf] ;W[pc] ;B[od] ;W[pg] ;B[jb] ;W[hf]C[Ofriedli [ 4k*\]: got them Cornel [ 6d*\]: Hi Ofriedli [ 4k*\]: Hey TDLT [28k \]: yo Cornel [ 6d*\]: ok, let's wait for the other observers to sit back in their chairs:) olut [ 1d \]: play a move C, they might disappear Ofriedli [ 4k*\]: play the first stone I want to see if they stay olut [ 1d \]: gone Ofriedli [ 4k*\]: gone TDLT [28k \]: restart your client? Cornel [ 6d*\]: still here to me Kasandara [28k \]: I've got them Cornel [ 6d*\]: ok, I can do that too olut [ 1d \]: peter needs to fix his client chuckleb [23k*\]: R14 is here markus [ 5k*\]: still there here as well kevco [ 3k*\]: glGos fine on XP Cornel [ 6d*\]: try to restart O and o :) spaciane [ 4k*\]: With Panda Egg still there on XP JohnnyRook [ 5k*\]: it is kevco olut [ 1d \]: ; don't worry about me go on Cornel [ 6d*\]: otto, can you follow without seeing the handi stones? Troll [ NR \]: C try to edit them pls Cornel [ 6d*\]: you know those were there:) Troll [ NR \]: okay DavidH [ 6k*\]: hey big C make sure to email me the review since i just got here thanks Cornel [ 6d*\]: Hi, it just started Cornel [ 6d*\]: I will review it anyway Troll [ NR \]: cool that works:) Cornel [ 6d*\]: I mean email it :) Cornel [ 6d*\]: yes but the marks will go away after I move on Troll [ NR \]: okay no biggy Cornel [ 6d*\]: so you see the handi stones? Troll [ NR \]: I know where they are Troll [ NR \]: no Cornel [ 6d*\]: right, and I ain't capture them:)]) (;W[ag] ;B[ae] ;W[bg])) (;B[hi] ;W[ii] ;B[hh] ;W[ko]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: b should get ahead] ;B[lh] ;W[lj] ;B[dc]C[Troll [ NR \]: why] ;W[db] ;B[gf]LB[gj:1][fj:2][fi:3][gi:4][gh:5][fh:6][fg:7][eg:8][eh:9][ei:10][ej:11][ef:12][df:13][cf:14][bf:15][bg:16][cg:16][bh:17]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: cause of those 20 points you can build more:) Troll [ NR \]: hah but it was open at g16 Cornel [ 6d*\]: but .. Cornel [ 6d*\]: you really like this shape Troll [ NR \]: no Cornel [ 6d*\]: the heavy stones in the middle die Cornel [ 6d*\]: and this shape is too ugly Cornel [ 6d*\]: from this point black is trying too hard but playing from far behind and no chance])) (;B[gn] ;W[hm]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: this is what white wishes]) (;B[gi]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: is also possible to leave white;s position unsettled and attack keeping the distance Cornel [ 6d*\]: many times the way of thinking and judging the positions makes you find the right move])) (;B[jk]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: b needs more fighting spirit Cornel [ 6d*\]: too submissive enfo [25k*\]: isn't it not good to attempt a cut that early? Cornel [ 6d*\]: full triangle is a good shape Cornel [ 6d*\]: A is the cut white is looking for Cornel [ 6d*\]: what do you mean enfo ? enfo [25k*\]: oh i meant 94 cutting 91 and 93 Cornel [ 6d*\]: ah this warikomi move enfo [25k*\]: what is warikomi? Cornel [ 6d*\]: g8 here , trying to cut an ikken tobi shape aarku [ NR \]: "wedge between two stones" Cornel [ 6d*\]: is called warikomi Cornel [ 6d*\]: yes:) enfo [25k*\]: so it's good or bad? heh Cornel [ 6d*\]: move between two enemy stones Cornel [ 6d*\]: is possible])) (;B[jl]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: this is the key point for moyo])) (;B[rl] ;W[sn] ;B[rm] ;W[qp] ;B[rj] ;W[ri] ;B[pl] ;W[qr] ;B[pr]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: well b could live like this, pretty painful though Cornel [ 6d*\]: b gets sente in the top but still hard for him to get back in the game cause of q9 Cornel [ 6d*\]: is a big loss without any compensation])) (;B[nj] ;W[pl] ;B[ql] ;W[qk] ;B[qj] ;W[rk] ;B[rj] ;W[rm] ;B[oi]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: better give 3 stones than all the group zyxw [ 3d \]: he might scare w R3...] ;W[qq] ;B[pr]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: r3 is not dangerous] ;W[qp]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: gote for w zyxw [ 3d \]: might ..] ;B[qe]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: r14 in danger])) (;B[rn] ;W[qm] ;B[rm] ;W[rl] ;B[qn] ;W[pm] ;B[rk] ;W[ql] ;B[po]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: this way white keeps his territory but is smaller zyxw [ 3d \]: but w got the sente Cornel [ 6d*\]: true Cornel [ 6d*\]: but b can link under at t8 Cornel [ 6d*\]: b losses the game in this fight Cornel [ 6d*\]: playing this empty triangle Cornel [ 6d*\]: uinstead of moving out in center])) (;B[kc]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: safer to extend here Cornel [ 6d*\]: if too large white has invasion in A Cornel [ 6d*\]: q11 is a big spot Cornel [ 6d*\]: most open area Cornel [ 6d*\]: so white defends first and looks for invasion later])) (;B[gc]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: should get ahead here Cornel [ 6d*\]: is much bigger Cornel [ 6d*\]: g16 has no future like this Cornel [ 6d*\]: g18 is sente next Cornel [ 6d*\]: white is walled in] ;W[ek] ;B[gb] ;W[dc]C[zyxw [ 3d \]: other client without review can't obsereve the game ?] ;B[dj] ;W[dk] ;B[gk]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: see the difference? enfo [25k*\]: wow Cornel [ 6d*\]: right zyxw zyxw [ 3d \]: sigh .. Cornel [ 6d*\]: only glGo or pandaegg support review Cornel [ 6d*\]: for the moment Cornel [ 6d*\]: things will change Cornel [ 6d*\]: be patient zyxw [ 3d \]: got it Cornel [ 6d*\]: white is happy to connect g17 Cornel [ 6d*\]: c9 still keeps aji for later])) (;B[fd]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: usually black answers f16 or g17 to white's shoulder hit] ;W[cd] ;B[cc] ;W[dc] ;B[db] ;W[bc] ;B[ec] ;W[be] ;B[dj]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: this cross cut in corner is what I had in mind Cornel [ 6d*\]: black's shape looks overconcentrated (korigatachi) enfo [25k*\]: what is the difference between korigatachi and "thick" shapes Cornel [ 6d*\]: thick doesn't have to be overconcentrated Cornel [ 6d*\]: must be solid but effective Cornel [ 6d*\]: the number of stones invested in a korigatachi is usually higher than the points of profit enfo [25k*\]: ah ok Cornel [ 6d*\]: for example Cornel [ 6d*\]: there are positions when one is forced to capture 2 stones Cornel [ 6d*\]: and plays 7,8 stones around, captures two and gets a profit of 10 points Cornel [ 6d*\]: but a very solid shape as well Cornel [ 6d*\]: but when investing 8 stones and get 10 points profit is pretty uneffective Cornel [ 6d*\]: while thickness is an effecient shape Cornel [ 6d*\]: position Cornel [ 6d*\]: black's shape here is korigatachi Cornel [ 6d*\]: 6 stones surrounding one Cornel [ 6d*\]: and few more points around that stone]) (;B[gc]) (;B[cd]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: is also ok for black to block corner Cornel [ 6d*\]: white has to find the way out for 3 weak stones now] ;W[dg] ;B[dh] ;W[fg] ;B[eh] ;W[fd] ;B[ec] ;W[fh] ;B[ej]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: hard to save everything though Troll [ NR \]: not if i play b Cornel [ 6d*\]: "unless we are Bruce Willis:)" Cornel [ 6d*\]: any questions so far ? Cornel [ 6d*\]: if you play black, white can save everything? Cornel [ 6d*\]: so c16 to build corner Troll [ NR \]: if you play w probably Kasandara [28k \]: if I played black it could Cornel [ 6d*\]: white has no eye shape, no way to extend for a base Cornel [ 6d*\]: so must jump out])) (;B[bp] ;W[bq] ;B[ao] ;W[cs]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: no ko this way Cornel [ 6d*\]: unconditionally alive spaciane [ 4k*\]: d1]) (;B[ds] ;W[cs] ;B[cr]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: yes this is the ko O missed in the game] ;W[do] ;B[cn] ;W[dr] ;B[es] ;W[bp] ;B[cr] ;W[bs] ;B[aq] ;W[ar]C[Troll [ NR \]: to early and w has it's own ko threat] ;B[ao] ;W[bq]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: if white wins the ko, the life he gets is minimum Cornel [ 6d*\]: right, so means you should have played tight instead loose c7 Cornel [ 6d*\]: that was a bit greedy:) Troll [ NR \]: ye that was the screw up Cornel [ 6d*\]: both extensions are too close to your own thickness Cornel [ 6d*\]: and the principle says: Don't play too close to thickness Cornel [ 6d*\]: c12 is nice])) (;W[di] ;B[cp]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: this way corner becomes too big for black Cornel [ 6d*\]: white needs ko to live in corner Cornel [ 6d*\]: how to force the ko for kill? Troll [ NR \]: b4])) (;B[co]SQ[co][dp][gq][bd]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: if you want to defend corner better play c5 Cornel [ 6d*\]: this is a good shape for black in lower left corner Cornel [ 6d*\]: and white is still thin on the side] ;W[bd] ;B[cc] ;W[dh] ;B[jd] ;W[pi])) (;B[cj]TR[dp][gq][cj][dd][cc]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: have you considered a pincer ? Troll [ NR \]: am I here? Cornel [ 6d*\]: c10 is nice balance on left side Cornel [ 6d*\]: yes Troll Troll [ NR \]: no I didn't] ;W[cc] ;B[cd] ;W[dc] ;B[ed] ;W[bd] ;B[be] ;W[bc] ;B[ce] ;W[fc] ;B[ge] ;W[gc]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: if white takes top left corner black's moyo is very nice on the left side Cornel [ 6d*\]: all stones seem to work together Cornel [ 6d*\]: this is global view TDLT [28k \]: what is moyo? Cornel [ 6d*\]: moyo is not clear territory but big potential to build a huge area TDLT [28k \]: k, thanks aarku [ NR \]: this site has a list of definitions if interested, they seem alright : http://nngs.cosmic.org/hmkw/stuff/definitions.html markus [ 5k*\]: btw, "translate moyo" in command window... many languages :) Cornel [ 6d*\]: right:) Troll [ NR \]: really in glgo? Cornel [ 6d*\]: this c7 move is a bit questionable Cornel [ 6d*\]: yes Trioll Cornel [ 6d*\]: what do you see on your board ? Troll [ NR \]: I know Cornel [ 6d*\]: c3 is open Troll [ NR \]: yep])) (;B[nr]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: here better capture straight] ;W[lr]LB[mr:A]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: if white descend black doesn't need to play n2 Cornel [ 6d*\]: like this white gets the descending move (sagari) sente Cornel [ 6d*\]: A , B is a good exchange for white])) (;B[no]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: so should get ahead, nobi] ;W[oq] ;B[po] ;W[qr] ;B[qn]C[Cornel [ 6d*\]: this is joseki Cornel [ 6d*\]: don't allow this atari too often]))